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Rundown of the notable movepool additions Mk II
Oh yeah, and the other egg moves NidoranM had were shared by NidoranF as well, hence why they didn't appear.
Edit: It's a shame that there's no ability like in Mystery Dungeon that allows you to use two-turn moves in one turn, but at the expense of an extra PP. Else that Sky Attack tutor might've been of use to someone... Of course, a Pokémon with such an ability would have to be balanced properly...
Edit: It's a shame that there's no ability like in Mystery Dungeon that allows you to use two-turn moves in one turn, but at the expense of an extra PP. Else that Sky Attack tutor might've been of use to someone... Of course, a Pokémon with such an ability would have to be balanced properly...
It's not too unladylike to drop a wtf once in a while, Rose, so long as one doesn't make a habit of it. ;)
I'm a lot more thrilled with these egg moves, and I'm sure we all are, barring some random goodies like Super Fang Walrein/Crobat.
That said, I don't know why, but I'm excited by Forretress learning Gravity. Maybe it's because amongst the former tiny/uber learnbase, it was sorely lacking in really good team players that could get use out of the move rather than just being something that uses it. I'm thinking mainly of Toxic/Spikes. Magnezone and Porygon2 with Gravity also pleases me.
I'm a lot more thrilled with these egg moves, and I'm sure we all are, barring some random goodies like Super Fang Walrein/Crobat.
That said, I don't know why, but I'm excited by Forretress learning Gravity. Maybe it's because amongst the former tiny/uber learnbase, it was sorely lacking in really good team players that could get use out of the move rather than just being something that uses it. I'm thinking mainly of Toxic/Spikes. Magnezone and Porygon2 with Gravity also pleases me.
It's done!
For kicks, here are the poor saps who were red in both Platinum and HGSS (other than Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet and Smeargle): Fearow, Venomoth, Weezing, Moltres, Ledian, Ariados, Sudowoodo, Shuckle, Mantine, Swellow, Pelipper, Masquerain, Ninjask, Delcatty, Relicanth, Staraptor, Roserade and Lumineon. Whoa, a lot more of them than I thought.
I also removed Cresselia's Gravity at the last second. Sure, it has other qualities than Levitate, but if you need a Gravity user, why not use something that won't shoot itself in the foot? Bronzong and Giratina have alternatives. Not Cresselia.
I'm also planning a written rant follow-up sometime in November or December.
And holy crap, Serebii's been playing for 40 hours straight without sleep? Even without my medication I can't get to 18!
For kicks, here are the poor saps who were red in both Platinum and HGSS (other than Ditto, Unown, Wobbuffet and Smeargle): Fearow, Venomoth, Weezing, Moltres, Ledian, Ariados, Sudowoodo, Shuckle, Mantine, Swellow, Pelipper, Masquerain, Ninjask, Delcatty, Relicanth, Staraptor, Roserade and Lumineon. Whoa, a lot more of them than I thought.
I also removed Cresselia's Gravity at the last second. Sure, it has other qualities than Levitate, but if you need a Gravity user, why not use something that won't shoot itself in the foot? Bronzong and Giratina have alternatives. Not Cresselia.
I'm also planning a written rant follow-up sometime in November or December.
And holy crap, Serebii's been playing for 40 hours straight without sleep? Even without my medication I can't get to 18!
I wouldn't have listed it for Cressy, anyway, because like I used to praise Forretress.. what is Cresselia going to do after Gravity is used?
It's one of the reasons I tell people not to use Dusknoir on Trick Room teams. It sucks and doesn't do anything for the team other than use the move. Bronzong, Exeggutor, Slowbro.. they do.
With those 5-turn only moves, IMO if you're not going to capitalize on the effects right from the getgo and must switch, you shouldn't be using it in the first place.
It's one of the reasons I tell people not to use Dusknoir on Trick Room teams. It sucks and doesn't do anything for the team other than use the move. Bronzong, Exeggutor, Slowbro.. they do.
With those 5-turn only moves, IMO if you're not going to capitalize on the effects right from the getgo and must switch, you shouldn't be using it in the first place.
Oopsie, I seem to have totally misunderstood Magic Coat's effect (this should be your clue as to how often I used it). I'll get to work on that later.
Edit: All done. I'm not expecting it to get much use, but it's still a "it's there if you want it" type of move.
Also, I'm wondering how Heal Bell will affect Manaphy's stage 3 voting... will the test have to be redone?
Edit: All done. I'm not expecting it to get much use, but it's still a "it's there if you want it" type of move.
Also, I'm wondering how Heal Bell will affect Manaphy's stage 3 voting... will the test have to be redone?
They say Magic Coat is underrated, but eh. I think it's rated right where it should be given how situational it is. If you hadn't already, much like you didn't list Tailwind for anything that got Agility, Magic Coat shouldn't be listed for anything with Taunt.
Yeah, Taunt doesn't put the effect on the opponent, but you don't have to Taunt every time you want to prevent whatever it is you're MCing. After all, if you bounce Leech Seed off of yourself, which is one of the most oft-listed "perks" of Magic Coat, there's nothing stopping them from just using the move again, forcing you to switch to avoid seeding or just MC ad nauseum, assuming the foe is dumb enough to keep using it. Meanwhile anything that learns Leech Seed cannot be seeded in the first place (how many Smeargles use Leech Seed?). It's what makes me think Magic Coat is kind of retarded, actually.
Yeah, Taunt doesn't put the effect on the opponent, but you don't have to Taunt every time you want to prevent whatever it is you're MCing. After all, if you bounce Leech Seed off of yourself, which is one of the most oft-listed "perks" of Magic Coat, there's nothing stopping them from just using the move again, forcing you to switch to avoid seeding or just MC ad nauseum, assuming the foe is dumb enough to keep using it. Meanwhile anything that learns Leech Seed cannot be seeded in the first place (how many Smeargles use Leech Seed?). It's what makes me think Magic Coat is kind of retarded, actually.
A list of pokemon that will most likely see a raise in usage:
Vaporeon/Jolteon
Dragonite
Feraligatr
Crobat
Forretress
Blissey
Gardevoir/Gallade
Mismagius
Uxie
Pokemon that could possibly break into OU, I'm taking wild guesses here, but whatever.
Crobat
Mismagius
Uxie
Vaporeon/Jolteon
Dragonite
Feraligatr
Crobat
Forretress
Blissey
Gardevoir/Gallade
Mismagius
Uxie
Pokemon that could possibly break into OU, I'm taking wild guesses here, but whatever.
Crobat
Mismagius
Uxie
[QUOTE USER="repto" TIME="1252643795"]Yes, it disproves the priority moves. Honestly those looked very shady from the beginning.
U-Turn is better on Scizor, definitely, but Scizor has the benefit of being an excellent poke to use ingame, and Scyther also reaps the benefits of STAB + Technician. It'll make great use of it until I one gets a Metal Coat.
Now THIS is one of those cases I'd object to Slowflake not listing it as one of Scizor's spoils.[/QUOTE]
TBH, I forgot about both ingame and Scyther.
Anyway, the things I'm looking most forward to are Super Fang Crobat, NP Mismagius, Heal Bell Mismagius, and DD Crawdaunt.
U-Turn is better on Scizor, definitely, but Scizor has the benefit of being an excellent poke to use ingame, and Scyther also reaps the benefits of STAB + Technician. It'll make great use of it until I one gets a Metal Coat.
Now THIS is one of those cases I'd object to Slowflake not listing it as one of Scizor's spoils.[/QUOTE]
TBH, I forgot about both ingame and Scyther.
Anyway, the things I'm looking most forward to are Super Fang Crobat, NP Mismagius, Heal Bell Mismagius, and DD Crawdaunt.
[QUOTE USER="slowflake" TIME="1252762233"]Cross, if Super Fang Walrein turns out to be as obnoxious as Smogon makes it sound like, you might wanna add it and Abomasnow to the list. Just saying.
Also, I didn't even know Magic Coat worked for one turn either. Fine, I'll Taunt-filter it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but Smogon overhypes everything.
Also, I didn't even know Magic Coat worked for one turn either. Fine, I'll Taunt-filter it.[/QUOTE]
Yes, but Smogon overhypes everything.
I don't think they do any worse than GFaqs. Remember Weavile and Mamoswine? The amazing Garchomp counters? IIRC there was also gushing over Hyper Beam Porygon-Z.
My personal favorite change is Head Smash Aggron. I have a bit of an affinity for Aggron because Aron was the first non-starter Poke I caught while I was playing a JP ROM of Ruby, and couldn't even remember their names. I didn't know the significance of natures or EVs back then, either, so when I used it in the battle tower or Colosseum, I found it getting floored on a regular basis, but still stuck by the thing.
Now that I actually know what the hell I'm doing, Head Smash will be all the more a huge edge.
Super Fang Crobat and Walrein are also great, and as I mentioned, Weather Ball Cherrim and Gravity Forry.
My personal favorite change is Head Smash Aggron. I have a bit of an affinity for Aggron because Aron was the first non-starter Poke I caught while I was playing a JP ROM of Ruby, and couldn't even remember their names. I didn't know the significance of natures or EVs back then, either, so when I used it in the battle tower or Colosseum, I found it getting floored on a regular basis, but still stuck by the thing.
Now that I actually know what the hell I'm doing, Head Smash will be all the more a huge edge.
Super Fang Crobat and Walrein are also great, and as I mentioned, Weather Ball Cherrim and Gravity Forry.
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