Word on Smogon was that the newer game's mechanics will always override the older game's, which means that if Hypnosis' accuracy really is kicked down to 60%, any battle with a Platinum cart will have that stat. Not sure if this is confirmed or not, I just read it in the Mark 3 topic.

That makes sense because the mechanics for Choice Item Pursuit are those of American DP in the case that a Japanese cart battles an American cart.

Petal Dance's power was lowered from 90 to 70 in GSC. Totally uncalled for, I know.

Edit: Smogon's data on RBY Petal Dance is wrong, just so you know.

So Hypnosis drops back down to 60%. Yet everyone seems to be complaining. This is a good thing, Gengars and Bronzongs should drop a bit from usage. I remember in ADV it was 60% and not many people complained. So why start now?

[QUOTE USER="crossdragon" TIME="1221704215"]So Hypnosis drops back down to 60%. Yet everyone seems to be complaining. This is a good thing, Gengars and Bronzongs should drop a bit from usage. I remember in ADV it was 60% and not many people complained. So why start now?[/QUOTE]

Because it changed in the middle of a generation.

IMO that's no excuse to complain. Scizor didn't have Bullet Punch throughout the entire 4th gen, and people welcomed it with open arms. Things change, everyone goes with the flow whether they liked the changes or not. It's that simple. It might not have followed a trend, but it's a change nonetheless.

So, I guess "so what" is the most blunt way of putting it.

[QUOTE USER="repto" TIME="1221711310"]IMO that's no excuse to complain. Scizor didn't have Bullet Punch throughout the entire 4th gen, and people welcomed it with open arms. Things change, everyone goes with the flow whether they liked the changes or not. It's that simple. It might not have followed a trend, but it's a change nonetheless.

So, I guess "so what" is the most blunt way of putting it.[/QUOTE]

Changing movepools is expected, changing a move to undo what they did between 2 generations is not whatis expected

What I don't like is that it's a problem to the OTHER Hypnosis users, such as Ninetales and Persian. Gengar? Bronzong? Yanmega? Fine. The rest? Not so much.

Another thing is, why do they do that for Hypnosis and not Sleep Powder? IMO, the move to bring Hypnosis closer to Sleep Powder was a very good move on principle, and they should've expanded it to Sing and Grasswhistle, if you ask me. Expect the likes of Venusaur, Tangrowth and Exeggutor to enjoy a slight surge in popularity.

BTW, if it's really confirmed, do you have a link? I'd like to see it for myself. Something else I'd like to see: Gamefreak's motives for doing that.

As for Victreebel not getting Gunk Shot... some people don't remember Swords Dance only powered up Sludge Bomb in RSE, as there were no physical Grass moves back in the day. Personally I prefer a beefed up Leaf Blade to a beefed up Sludge Bomb... but damn, it should've had Gunk Shot. Oh, and remember, there's also Sucker Punch now! Add Sleep Powder and you've got a nice moveset, better than anything else Victreebel had to offer in the past. Could be better, but we'll have to run with it for now.

Perhaps those three ruined it for everyone else.

And while changing the way a move functions goes against the trend, it's still a change we must accept.

As for Sleep Powder, the learnbase is slimmer and more confined to grass types, which maybe they thought limited its usage. I dunno what to say other than GF does things that have no logical sense to us.. all the damn time.

Good point. I checked Sleep Powder's learnbase just now... I didn't remember it to be so small.

Anyway, maybe it's for the best... Hypnosis with 70 accuracy has always stood out for me as a must-have on most Pokés that learned it (unless, of course, I want to do something else entirely with that Poké). There's also the fact that sleep is so lethal... it will often disable a Pokémon for the rest of the battle, or at least allow you to deal significant damage to it before it wakes up, at least. On top of that, if you're fast enough (like the aforementioned Persian), you get not only the switch-out turn for free, but you don't have to take damage on the Hypnosis turn.

Now it's an option like the others, nothing more, nothing less.

Now, I've checked Smogon, and if there's absolute confirmation of the accuracy drop through thorough testing, it's on another site. I swear, if No$ had a save state feature, we would've known within an hour whether it's a display mistake or a real change.

Edit: I think we all know of GF's hard-on for Rhyperior... well, with these new changes, it now has viable physical attacks for a gigantic FOURTEEN types. The only ones that are still missing are Grass, Psychic and Flying. Actually, the first one is sort of a surprise... Seed Bomb would've made more sense on this guy than most Pokés they gave it to. Zen Headbutt... hey, why the hell not?

Edit 2: Extremely late news for those who missed it: Once you've confronted Team Galactic and Heatran at Stark Mountain, the E4's levels go up in the 65-78 range. That means when I made up my own rematch lineups, I nailed that aspect PERFECTLY. In addition, I had given Aaron both Scizor and Yanmega, Bertha Gliscor and Rhyperior, and Flint Houndoom. Talk about clairvoyance...

Also, according to Serebii, all Shaymin can turn into the Sky form using the Glacidia Flower, but what you need the event Shaymin for is to actually GET the thing in the first place.

Wait, What does Rhyperior get from Platnium? >_> Can someone post a move tutor list?

The complete Smogon list:

http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45806

My abridged, low-fat list:

http://libelldra.com/community/forums/topic/4356/pokmon-platinum-the-spoils/

On to something else:

The bit about E4 rematches in my previous post reminded me, I should check which improvements I suggested in that list way back then and which were actually applied.

#14: Closure to the Galactic storyline: CHECK
#13: Bring back Tangela and Tropius: CHECK
#12: Improve Amity Square: CHECK
#11: Improve bag browsing: nope
#10: Fight against Dawn: nope You don't fight Pluto either, or with/against Handsome for that matter.
#9: More hotkeys: nope
#8: Improve the Game Corner: nope
#7: Overpowered trainer with Pokés in the 80s: CHECK
#6: Implement common rules on Wi-Fi: nope
#5: E4 upgrade: CHECK
#4: Gym leader rematches: CHECK
#3: Expand movepools with more than just junk moves: CHECK
#2: Bring back the Battle Frontier: CHECK
#1: Crack down on hacks: no one knows for sure, but I doubt it. That one was more wishful thinking than anything else, of course.

8 out of 14. Interesting.

[QUOTE USER="crossdragon" TIME="1221726550"]Wait, What does Rhyperior get from Platnium? >_> Can someone post a move tutor list?[/QUOTE]

Rhyperior: Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Snore, Spite, Uproar, Mud Slap, Rollout, Superpower, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Endeavor, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power

[QUOTE]#14: Closure to the Galactic storyline: CHECK[/QUOTE]

O_o what happened?

Mmmm. Scizor also learns Superpower. While it's not as OSHI- as Bullet Punch, it's a very welcome addition IMO to its physical movepool. Amusingly Heracross doesn't get it, not that it wants it in the first place.

No Aqua Tail on Kingdra. Whatever; Waterfall works.

My pal Swampy gets Superpower. Unfortunately guys like him are better off running utility sets.

No Superpower for Slaking? Meh.

No Superpower for Salamence means Dragonite can at least run a CB set that Mence can't. As for other 600s, Metagross is disappointed while Tyranitar walks off with a big mouthful.

The Move tutor lists indeed appear to have been chosen with a dartboard. Take a look at Rhyperior's list, it's got use for like half of it?

Guys with a excellent movepool already (Tyranitar, Rhyperior, Salamence) got a plethora of new moves while strugglers (Lumineon,Castform, Ledian to name a few) got shit. I'm not trying to sound like a poke-communist, but a bit more fairness wouldn't have hurt anyone.

common sense appears to be absent sometimes too, no gunk shot for Victreebell but for Infernape?, Superpower appears to be assigned random (a can't find a pattern to who gets it and who doesn't), Heat Wave on birds but not on, say a few waters or grasses (to combine with sunny day you know).

Like diamond and pearl, platinum made the bad good and the good a whole lot better (even though they don't need it)

Still there's some good stuff amongst it, and thanks Slowflake for extracting and compiling it :)

[QUOTE USER="The Placebo Effect" TIME="1221726833"][QUOTE USER="crossdragon" TIME="1221726550"]Wait, What does Rhyperior get from Platnium? >_> Can someone post a move tutor list?[/QUOTE]

Rhyperior: Fury Cutter, Icy Wind, ThunderPunch, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Snore, Spite, Uproar, Mud Slap, Rollout, Superpower, Iron Head, Aqua Tail, Endeavor, Outrage, Ancientpower, Earth Power[/QUOTE]

Oh god, we're gonna see a lot more of this guy around now. And with that, Trick Room teams. The carnage is gonna be stumping...

Superpower isn't assigned to random pokemon. If you haven't already noticed. Superpower is assigned to all pokemon with a Base Speed of 80 or less. Which is why the fast pokemon like Infernape or Azelf didn't get it.

[QUOTE USER="crossdragon" TIME="1221791992"]Superpower isn't assigned to random pokemon. If you haven't already noticed. Superpower is assigned to all pokemon with a Base Speed of 80 or less. Which is why the fast pokemon like Infernape or Azelf didn't get it.[/QUOTE]

Really? I thought it was assigned to powerhouses(really big base Attack), which would explain Nidoking, Rhyperior and Dragonite -_-

My ROM is playing really slow for some reason >_<