The Lols:


"I can feel the force within me!!"


"Domo Arigato Mr. Roboto"


"I'm taking a quick piss."


"Luke, I am your father!"


This just reminds me of Pedobear.

I love this sprite.



No, I am not postwhoring.

Aqua Tail T-tar was known... not Trick PorygonZ though.

With the time that passed by since yesterday, I'm surprised we don't have the full listings by now. Can't those just be hacked out of the game like everything else?

Oh, and for the mandatory Slowflake Disagrees With The World moment I have every once in a while: Rhyperior's new sprite is terrible.

Edit: So I got to thinking, what Pokémon would benefit from the OPPONENT using Trick or Knock Off? Maybe Muk and Gastrodon will make a little more teams... not expecting them to become OU overnight, of course, but they're just dying to get used for any other reason than because people like them (though to be fair, Gastrodon has the coolness of its movepool going for it already). Lopunny against Trick? Meh, not sure. I mean, sending in Lagging Tail Lopunny to take a Trick ought to annoy the opponent greatly, but if Lopunny fails to take down the opponent afterwards (and Lopunny's bad enough that such failure will occur often, even with the Lagging Tail attached to the opponent), then it's going to Trick the Iron Ball right back to one of your Pokés, making your scheme backfire like Wile E. Coyote designed it.

Lurking the Smogon Skymin thread: It's nice to see a lot of people giving it a chance for OU. And we all <3 Registeel. I heard that Skymin reverts to Shaymin in the Union Room, but does it revert during direct Platinum v Platinum battles?

Origin Giratina is mostly definitely a gimmick. Too strong for OU, but completely outclassed by its normal form in Uber. The shame.

You're talking about wireless, not Wi-Fi, right? Dunno about that one.

Origin Giratina's mostly screwed over by its item selection. Had you been able to use any item with it it might've been interesting, especially with the Outrage tutor, but as it stands it's best kept in its regular form.

If it does revert during wireless, then it's the equivalent of the "Parcel". It can only help you progress through the game, and therefore shouldn't have all this bother about it. Is there any point to implementing an unusable Pokemon onto Shoddy?

EDIT: Whoops, always on the ball Slowflake.

You mean, if it DOES revert? That'd make more sense.

Incidentally, it's the same thing for Rotom. They give it a pseudo-evolution, but deny it the right to fight when it really matters.

You know what I'd like to see? What happens when you try to bring Giratina (hell, make that any Pokémon, especially since Giratina also changes forms when holding it) holding the Platinum Orb, to wireless or Wi-Fi. Is there a message saying "you can't bring this item here because it's not backwards compatible, idiot" à la GSC Time Machine?

Well, Platnium really fucked with the Metagame quite a bit, before it leaked, people were just bitching about how broken Garchomp was with it's superior Base Distribution and what not.

Now, you have a bunch of new threats to worry about, some possibly even worse then Garchomp. To start things off, it's Sky Shaymin with it's Base 100 HP, Base 127 Speed and Base 120 SpAtk. It allows it to SubSeed and Sweep while replacing Sceptile as the fastest SubSeeder and may perhaps replace Togekiss as the best SereneSlasher. (If they ever manage to get it on Wifi, of course.) Hell, I don't doubt it, I think Sky Shaymin will be usable on Wifi, same with Giratina in due time.

2nd Pokemon I wanna rant about. Swords Dance Bullet Punch Scizor, who now replaces Lucario in terms of possibly the best Priority Move User in OU. Bullet Punch's Base Power is on par with ExtremeSpeeds, however coming off a Base 130 Attack and with 100 Base Defense backing it up and SD+LO backing it up, this is going to be one hell of a pokemon.

And Lucario's not out of the game yet. Heavens no, SD Lucario just gets better and better. Now complete with Physical Boltbeam to top things off. Swords Dance/Close Combat/Ice Punch or Thunder Punch/Extremespeed? Ice Punch being able to make Gliscor think twice before switching in, and Thunderpunch for Gyarados?

And Finally, Choice Scarf P-Z/Gengar with Trick. Snap. >_>

all in all, tl;dr Everything just got more offensive.

[QUOTE]Quoted from Mr. Goodbar on Smogon
I made someone check out azelf and it gets:
knock off, zen headbutt, all three punches, and trick. wow rite?[/QUOTE]

YES YES YES YES YES YES

Score on Azzie! It's not Superpower, but Ice Punch? YES PLZ

As for wanting to eat Trick, anything using Iron Orb I guess. Not that they're ever common or even liked, but if Trick really does start showing up and pissing people off, then we might be seeing some Gyro Ballers with it. Or, hell, fast CBers for that matter. Lose the CB, gain the Scarf. You're not being totally shafted, right? The worst thing to come of it would be now uneven EV distribution.

Azelf with Trick, Ice Punch, Explosion and something else like Fire Blast could be pretty annoying as utility. Holding a Choice Band.

Will Trick fail if the user isn't holding anything? As in, Focus Sash + Trick in which the sash is taken beforehand?

Haha, they really hate Alakazam. Just stop it guys, it stopped ruling the world when Gold/Silver came out. Next gen they're totally giving the pixies Focus Blast, just for that extra kick in the balls.

But yeah, I agree, the timing to ban Garchomp couldn't have been worse. So far it hasn't obtained anything at all, because it already had everything it ever needed. Well, of course Fire Punch would've been welcome, but the guy can't punch. Maybe someone here who goes at Smogon should try suggesting that it deserves a second chance for now.

I'm going to try and build a document detailing which new moves every Pokémon gets, and keep updating it as the news keep coming in.

[QUOTE USER="slowflake" TIME="1221341050"]Maybe someone here who goes at Smogon should try suggesting that it deserves a second chance for now.[/QUOTE]

I could try doing this, but many people have already suggested this and were flamed to hell.

http://www.freewebs.com/slowflake/platinum.txt

So far, I only included level-up moves and Rotom's new moves, then uploaded it to show you how it looks. I'll get to work on tutors ASAP.

Oh, and any logic behind that flaming, or it's just baseless screaming and kicking?

Edit: Updated with the current known tutors.

You know, it just sank in just how fiendish Azelf is going to be. In D/P it was basically special-based, but with a detonation. Well, it just got a STABbed physical attack, three excellent auxiliary physical moves in the punches, and two fantastic annoying moves. Just when it looked like Zapdos might've made some headway into becoming the best trio Pokémon, Azelf goes all LOL NO. Looks to me like it's another one to watch for, along with Lucario, Gyarados and Salamence... walling that beast is going to be a daunting task, especially since it can just take your item away. There's also no reason why the other two pixies wouldn't get the same treatment. If Cresselia gets neither Trick nor Knock Off, there might actually be a very good reason to use Uxie over it now.

Edit 2: Which reminds me, Repto said he found an assload of Pokés getting Signal Beam and Earth Power. Is there any way for me to know who those are?

Also, I shouldn't have said Chomp gets nothing, as it got Aqua Tail and Earth Power. Can't see how these would change a thing, though.

Edit 3: Nevermind, I found an assload of new combinations on another site, which ripped them off Smogon. I'm going to update the list with the new data early this afternoon.

Slowflake, if you want, I can get screenshots for you.

If it involves non-Battle Frontier stuff, sure. Else you won't need to, because the list I found pretty much covers everything. Except stupid tutors like Snore and Spite, that is, but I don't think anything would use those in the BF anyway.

As a side note... Probopass can PUNCH? With what? The mini-noses?

Just posting to say on gut feeling, there aren't going to be too many changes from personal experience with the normal meta.

Gliscor just has to run more speed to outrun luc, and be wary of switch ins. People are more encouraged to run more steels and stuff. Outrage sala might be kinda dangerous, but nothing Uber. I think we'll be in good shape.

Hmm, how would Steelix fare in trying to halt Outragers? It gets Curse now, after all...

I just remembered that in addition to Mud-Slap and Outrage, Giratina also gets Spite: all three appeared in a screenshot posted on Serebii a while back. I'll add that to the list when I update it.

Some of you may know this, some others not, but Toxicroak, Ambipom and Empoleon all get Knock Off, and Drifblim gets Trick.

Edit: List updated with the entire Battle Frontier list of combinations. Gonna try to scavenge some things people found by trial and error, such as the Azelf thing last night.

Posted something stupid about Gallade... was thinking of something else for some reason. Nevermind that.

Edit 2: Summary of my scavenging: Gallade gets Zen Headbutt, Mewtwo gets Zen Headbutt and Trick, Staraptor gets Air Cutter and Ominous Wind (what a slap to the face), and Pinsir gets Knock Off. Well, that's one thing Heracross doesn't have... or does it? Also, Tyranitar gets Ice Punch. Cool.

DDTar just got better.

Tyranitar @ Life Orb
Adamant/Jolly - 252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
- Sandstream
- Dragon Dance
- Crunch/Stone Edge
- Earthquake
- Ice Punch/Aqua Tail

Hell yes. Ice Punch deals with the Grass/Dragon types and what not, while Aqua Tail deals more damage overall to the Grounds.

Just thought of something. Mew will naturally get everything the tutors have to offer, so I'm going to add the ones that weren't in FRLG and Emerald.

So, what does it get? A physical STAB move, among others, which would be welcome if Psychic didn't blow so hard offensively, and Zen Headbutt's shoddy damage output doesn't help. Knock Off's nice, but Deoxys-LG is just better when it comes to the latter. Priority moves! Vacuum Wave and Sucker Punch, of course. Not quite Arceus' Extremespeed, but still a nice improvement... oh, and Sucker Punch will hit super-effective really often in ubers. It already had Synthesis from Ranch, and Softboiled and Roost are more consistent anyway. Magnet Rise... not so hot since it's not weak to Ground. Superpower could see some use, but I'm not sure. Outrage, like Sucker Punch, has the "lots of SE hits" things going for it, though Ice Beam's more flexible, and Rayquaza does the Outrage gig better anyway. Signal Beam, Seed Bomb and Earth Power cover type/category combinations Mew either didn't have access to previously, or improve on what it already had (read: Bullet Seed and Silver Wind).

All in all, it had so much stuff already that these additions won't make too much of a difference.

Edit: Forgot it can BP Iron Defense now! That was one of the two major stat boosts it couldn't pass in D/P (with Dragon Dance), and now it can. I doubt it'll actually be useful though.

Edit 2: Surprised no one mentioned it, but I'll throw it out there: more Gastro Acid users is a very good thing for Regigigas and Slaking in doubles.

How did Staraptor get screwed exactly, given the selection?

I has Close Combat and Brave Bird, the absolute best moves of their type. It can already use U-Turn, which benefits it a lot. And as for Normal STAB should you want it, it can use Return, the best nonrisk move it's got.

It can't punch naturally and special attacks are crap on it anyway. So, what else would it get? Outrage? Would someone honestly use that over one of those other four?