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Slowflake

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Sep 3 '08

(Someone suggested a while back that we should have one of these, and now's a good time to start it. Besides, it's way better to have one topic about everything rather than a million cluttering up the board.)

Just a few more days, and then Pokémon turns Platinum. We already have an idea as to what to look forward to. Why's Sinnoh freezing over? What does Team Galactic have up their sleeve this time? What are going to be the stat spreads of Origin Giratina and Sky Shaymin? Are there going to be any move tutors? Just what are those silhouettes, anyway? We should also expect a few surprises, as is always the case, and maybe moreso this time, as Platinum looks set to be even more of a departure from its predecessors than Crystal and Emerald were. (Not mentioning Yellow, for obvious reasons.)

As usual, Serebii'll be getting the game a few days before the official release (he said he expects it around the 10th), so naturally that'll be where we'll be getting the news from. Just how does he get the games so early, anyway?

About a week from now, we'll be in for a journey that only comes once every few years. Enjoy the ride!
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CrossDragon

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Sep 3 '08

Hmm, From what I've heard, You can only obtain the 3 Regis in Platnium by using the Regigigas you obtained from the Movie. And you can only access Shaymin's Sky Form with the Shaymin you received from the movie as well. I don't know how this will affect US Gamers, but I see a Regigigas and Shaymin giveaway sometime soon.
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Slowflake

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Sep 3 '08

In all fairness, it's unknown whether the Sky form transformation is going to be applied to Shaymins coming from every event, just a few or only the movie and one event in particular in the rest of the world. The fact that movies outside of Japan went straight to DVD from movie 6 (the Jirachi one) onwards implies that yes, there's going to be a special giveaway of some sort. Complete with Regigigas with IRON HEAD AND ICY WIND! Hell yeah.

Edit, Sept. 3: According to Serebii, what I predicted would happen happened, that is, a larger Sinnoh Dex (210 entries). It was obvious it would happen - I mean, Giratina should be in it, as well as more Ice-types if Sinnoh really is freezing over.
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Ominous Doom

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Sep 3 '08

Well, probably he works at Game Freak. O_O

I look forward to Platinum. As soon as it is released, I'ma downloading a rom of it. My bet is that plenty of people here will do the same *looks at CrossDragon*
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CrossDragon

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Sep 3 '08

Pfft, you know it. I'm getting the rom for this, and Ryusei no Rockman 3 Black Ace/Red Joker when that comes out. I just feel bad for those that refuse to get roms. (NYX, I'm pointing at you)
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Slowflake

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Sep 4 '08

Bah, you don't have to feel bad for those who won't get ROMs. I'd sooner feel bad for those who don't understand a bit of Japanese. Of course, me falling under both categories doesn't help my cause, but whatever.

Serebii claims the extra Pokémon will be #462-479, as well as their pre-evos and split evos, but by my count those amount to 50 Pokés, so that may not be it. Of course, there's also the issue of whether Dialga and Palkia will be in the Sinnoh Dex, and whether Manaphy will be part of the 210, or rather an extra one after that like Mew in RBY, Celebi in GSC, Jirachi and Deoxys in the Hoenn Dex and Manaphy in the D/P Sinnoh Dex before it. The precedents are all there, so my money's on #211, which means it'll be 59 extra Pokés plus Giratina if Dialga and Palkia are there, and 61 plus Giratina if they aren't. (Take one away from those counts if Manaphy's among the 210.)
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Repto

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Sep 4 '08

There's nothing they can do to those event pokes that can't be replicated with a calculator. I'm not worried about it and I don't plan on ever going to any event.
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Slowflake

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Sep 4 '08

You're talking about the [s]Rotoms[/s] silhouettes, right? Odds are, the base stat table will be among the first things we get from Serebii, so we'll know right off the bat what we're in for. Remember last time, when we knew all the stats of all the Pokés before even knowing what they looked like? Yeah, that's how everyone figured out there were two new Eeveelutions several days before we finally saw them.

But yeah, if it's in the Platinum game code, it'll be easily hackable.

Side note about the expanded Dex: expect a few more Fire-types this time around. Remember the (short-lived) outrage following the news that anyone who picked Turtwig or Piplup was stuck with the Ponyta line for their Fire needs? And that Ice was basically restricted to Abomasnow and Weavile? (Thankfully, it wasn't a big deal, thanks to Ice Beam being universal among Water Pokés.) So more Ices is obvious, Sinnoh freezing over and all, but they definitely ought to add more Fires, and good ones too (like Arcanine and Ninetales). Knowing Gamefreak, what we'll get instead will be Torkoal and Magcargo. Booyah. Not expecting Magmortar though, this one's meant to be hard to get.

Also, will the Sinnoh Dex be completely revamped, or will the extras just be inserted between Weavile and Uxie? Wow, I'm excited about details like that. Then again, overreaction is my second name, so...
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Repto

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Sep 4 '08

Honestly I don't think Torkoal is THAT shitty, it's just that the cool moves it gets basically have to come from breeding and TMs. Magcargo is just bleh, yeah. Growlithe alone would be great, Arcanine is now above average as far as fire types go. You can even flirt with Reversal, Fighting is always an excellent type and you can deliberately be stingy with healing it.

I don't suppose they'll be righting some mistakes and putting Flare Blitz on Flareon. These "new" games usually expand a handful of movepools by a small amount, not counting tutors.

While I'm thinking hopelessly wishfully it'd be frigging awesome if they made a move tutor with the recoil moves. And I mean all of them, so we can be cheap and put Head Smash and Brave Bird on Aerodactyl. Can you say extremely fucking OU? A buddy of mine had me hack one of those along with Wood Hammer and Flare Blitz, and referred to it as Edgardactyl.

And I was thinking mainly of Sky Form Shaymin actually, though the "Rotoms" count too I guess. I actually kinda want a Shaymin now, since Sky sounds like it may actually be worth it now, not to mention keeping it in Grass/Flying (assuming it isn't irreversible.)
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Slowflake

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Sep 5 '08

Torkoal isn't that bad, but outside of Magcargo it's the worst Fire-type in the game. Well, there's also Flareon, but I'm not mentioning it because it's one of seven possible evos for a Normal-type, and I'm only talking about lines that stay Fire throughout.

And hell yeah Sky Shaymin's going to be worth it. I believe I was talking to someone a while ago about the possibility of it being moved to ubers if it pisses off the wrong people, that's how good it's going to be.
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dootx28

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Sep 5 '08

CB Aerodactyl with Headsmash/BB/EQ/filler OHKOs or 2HKOs most of ubers. It ALWAYS 2hkos max/max impish Gliscor and Skarmory, while narrowly missing 2hkos on max/max Impish Hippowdon and (the practically nonexistent) max/max Bold Cress. Max special attack Modest Life Orb Deoxys-E deals 101-119 with Ice Beam/T-Bolt to 6/0 Dactyl, but can't switch into anything. +2 Adamant Life Orb Lucario deals 60% max with Extremespeed, and gets OHKO'd with EQ or Brave Bird. Luke is nearly 2hko'd on the switch by Head Smash (which deals 48% max), an attack it resists 4x.

Extremely fucking OU? More like "Raping the shit out of ubers." Let's put it this way...it hits max/max impish/bold Giratina for 41% MINIMUM and always OHKOs max/max Lugia.

That said, I'm all for recoil tutors, so long as Aerodactyl doesn't get those two. Volt Tackle Luxray, Flare Blitz Flareon, Volt Tackle Electivire, sure, I'm all for it. Just not HS/BB Aero.

Side note, when are they going to get around to making an Ice/Water equivalent of Double Edge? It's usually FIre/Electric/Ice or Water in a little trio. Huh.

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Slowflake

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Sep 5 '08

Well, they COULD give Aerodactyl Head Smash, but disallow Brave Bird based on the premise that it's... not... a... *looks at Crobat* ...aw, nutbunnies. But then again, Head Smash alone could do a lot of damage.

There are several other Rock Head guys that could use the hand, though... Golem and Sudowoodo are simply dying to get their hands on it, for one, though Golem would STILL face the problem of being outright trumped by Rhydon (Rhyperior doesn't have Rock Head, remember), which makes it a question of whether some people would revert back to Rhydon. Steelix gets no STAB, but since when would one turn down such a mighty Rock move to complement EQ? It's the reverse for Aggron, STABbed Head Smash but STAB-less EQ.

Something I don't want to see with Head Smash, though, not now, not ever, has to be Marowak. STABbed EQ off 568 attack and possibly a Swords Dance is evil enough, but throw in an equally strong Rock move, only with 80 accuracy, and... ewww.
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Repto

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Sep 5 '08

If Relicanth had base 115 attack I wouldn't care if the other rocks didn't have it. It'd bump his BST up to 510 though, which I doubt Game Freak wants.

And if ages from now they do the absurd and evolve Relicanth, they'll kick its fans in the balls by giving it base 120 HP, the base 150 attack, keep the 130 defense... and cut its speed to base 10 and put its SDef at a level where Hoppip deals 85-107% with Energy Ball, which will equate to "do not have this out against anything with a special attack."

For lulz I ran the calc, and while the percentages definitely are off, giving that "evo" base 30 SDef would probably do the trick. Ultimate Relicanth Counter Hoppip of course was maxed and modest.

Sadly I could see them doing this, and designing the evo to resemble a ground dweller of sorts. To further kick us in the balls it'll have another few interesting moves, say a base 120 dark physical for when Crunch just doesn't suit those absolutely gaping fanged mouths.

Edit: Speaking of Crobat not being a bird, I think the Japanese name for Brave Bird might have used it in a more suitable context, say, Dive Bomb. Nothing wrong with a bat doing that. Kind of like Meteor Mash which is called Comet Punch in Japan and looks much more fitting when you actually see the move used. Obviously since we already dubbed a move as Comet Punch they had to pull a new name out of their asses.
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dootx28

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Sep 5 '08

Relicanth's evolution sure could look like on of these gents: http://www.livescience.com/animals/061128_big_bite.html

Dunkleosteous evolution yes please yes please.
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Repto

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Sep 5 '08

Screw the bottom dweller. That thing? Yes please.

Unfortunately they'd likely still treat its stats that way.
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CrossDragon

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Sep 6 '08

Everyone forgets about Camperupt and his Solid Rock along with Eruption. >_> The way I see it is that Platnium will probably have the Slot in features making all the previous pokemon obtainable via GBA Slot such as Shuckle/Magby and Elekid to name a few.

I think they'll do what they did in Emerald. After you beat the E4, the Safari Zone "expands" allowing more pokemon to be found. I really hope they won't do that, as the Safari Zone this time around is really really fucking gay. Maybe we'll be able to catch pokemon in the Alt. World? Then again, I doubt it.

Also, Head Smash on Aerodactly? Madness. Gamefreak would never do it.
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Ominous Doom

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Sep 6 '08

Head Smash on Aerodactyl? One way ticket to paradise, high OU or possibly Ubers. No thanks, Game Freak.
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Slowflake

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Sep 6 '08

I was thinking too about the possibility of wild Pokémon roaming in the Torn World, though I doubt it... it's either going to be a series of puzzles, or a whole lot of nothing. Which would be a waste. SA2 Crazy Gadget redux, anyone? The last part with the colored blocks, I mean.

And while we're on the subject of Aerodactyl, it climbed up to #42 in August. It's really time it gets promoted to OU already, methinks. And while Head Smash may be excessive on Aerodactyl, it's also sad to see Rock Head as a whole get shafted the way it is. Aside from Sudowoodo and Relicanth (IMO the worst two Pokés that get it), it's Double-Edge, Double-Edge and more Double-Edge, and only Marowak uses it anyway.

And wait, you can get GBA-slot Pokémon before the E4? I thought it only worked when you had the National Dex... By the way, Camerupt's decent, but it's just not in the league of Magmortar or Ninetales or especially not Arcanine.

Edit: Not really related to Platinum (well, it is, very remotely) but I'm completely worthless at doing anything related to drawing, splicing or anything, even on a computer, so I'm very happy that I just made a little piece that I will obviously be using in this year's Winners and Losers rant. Oh crap, I just spoiled it... except not really, because it would've been so expected anyway.

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Repto

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Sep 6 '08

I always forget how crappy Sudowoodo's BST is for a rock type. They needed to evolve it, not give it a damned baby. On that note I think Relicanth is much better, though I guess I can see how it's worse than everything else.

I'm sure they'll never give Aero Head Smash, but Brave Bird wouldn't be too bad.
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CrossDragon

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Sep 7 '08

Well, If they do give Aero Brave Bird, I don't think we'll see it be used much as Flying doesn't really cover much. Grass and Bug? I think thats it. We have Stone Edge and Ice Fang for that and they give superior coverage, though I can see it being used on a CB Set.
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