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Since milliondaggers hasn't made one, here it is. It's name is Pyroak, it is pretty much an all defensive pokemon. It is pretty good except for the fact that for healing it has rest and senthesis, and for flyings he has zap cannon.
I think it's a hit and miss pokemon myself
I think it's a hit and miss pokemon myself
How can a such a tanky Pokemon be a hit and miss?
After around 30 battles on the CaP server, I have to say its Stealth Rock weakness affects it more than other Pokemon with the same Stealth Rock weakness, due solely to the fact that it really needs those 25% HPs.
Still, I've been running a Lava Plume, Leech Seed, Rest, Sleep Talk set, and it has been a phenomenal asset to my team.
After around 30 battles on the CaP server, I have to say its Stealth Rock weakness affects it more than other Pokemon with the same Stealth Rock weakness, due solely to the fact that it really needs those 25% HPs.
Still, I've been running a Lava Plume, Leech Seed, Rest, Sleep Talk set, and it has been a phenomenal asset to my team.
When in the beginning I saw Fire / Grass I thought it'd be a cool pokemon, and it's cool to see how it turned out.
My lastest team has him, but I've yet to test him seriously.
And seriously, his artwork was really top notch. Although Cartoons had a great one too.
I'll update this post later, but I can't wait for the next CAP poke!
My lastest team has him, but I've yet to test him seriously.
And seriously, his artwork was really top notch. Although Cartoons had a great one too.
I'll update this post later, but I can't wait for the next CAP poke!
I ran a subseeding set but the reason I think it's hit and miss is because It is bad against flying, rock, and of course SR with it's only healing move being senthesis unless you have a cleric or want to give it chesto. I think celebie's better with worse defensive stats, but in my opinion, a much better moveset.
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Main Pokemon Information:
Name: Pyroak
[div align="left"]Type: Fire/Grass[/div]Stat Spread: 120 HP / 70 Atk / 105 Def / 95 SpA / 90 SpD / 60 Speed
BST: 540
Ability #1: Rock Head
Ability #2: Battle Armor
Pokedex Information:
Height: 6' 9"
Weight: 370
Dex Entry #1: The smoke from PYROAK's flames is said to have soothing qualities. However, it is also known to induce odd behaviour in Pokémon and humans alike.
Dex Entry #2: All PYROAK keep the same set of armor throughout their entire life. It is said the age of any PYROAK can be estimated by counting the rings in the wood.
Dex Entry #3: PYROAK are known to engage in ceremonial duels banning use of their cannons. Their armour protects them from injuring themselves when charging one another.
Level-Up Moves:
- Wood Hammer (Heart Scale)
- Flare Blitz (Heart Scale)
- Leer
- Pound
- Growl
5. Bullet Seed
9. Focus Energy
13. Ember
17. Growth
21. Leech Seed
28. Synthesis
35. Energy Ball
46. Lava Plume
57. Zap Cannon
63. Flash Cannon
72. Hyper Beam
TM/HM Moves:
TM 05-Roar
TM 06-Toxic
TM 09-Bullet Seed
TM 10-Hidden Power
TM 11-Sunny Day
TM 15-Hyper Beam
TM 16-Light Screen
TM 17-Protect
TM 19-Giga Drain
TM 21-Frustration
TM 22-SolarBeam
TM 23-Iron Tail
TM 27-Return
TM 28-Dig
TM 30-Shadow Ball
TM 31-Brick Break
TM 32-Double Team
TM 33-Reflect
TM 34-Shock Wave
TM 35-Flamethrower
TM 36-Sludge Bomb
TM 38-Fire Blast
TM 39-Rock Tomb
TM 40-Aerial Ace
TM 42-Façade
TM 43-Secret Power
TM 44-Rest
TM 45-Attract
TM 50-Overheat
TM 53-Energy Ball
TM 56-Fling
TM 58-Endure
TM 61-Will-o-Wisp
TM 66-Payback
TM 68-Giga Impact
TM 76-Stealth Rock
TM 82-Sleep Talk
TM 83-Natural Gift
TM 86-Grass Knot
TM 87-Swagger
TM 90-Substitute
TM 91-Flash Cannon
HM 04-Strength
HM 06-Rock Smash
HM 08-Rock Climb
Egg Moves (Monster/Dragon):
Aromatherapy (Meganium)
Dragonbreath (Altaria, Salamence, Kingdra, Dragonite, Sceptile, Milotic, Garchomp)
Howl (Exploud)
Leaf Storm (Sceptile, Tropius, Torterra, Venusaur, Meganium)
Mud Bomb (Arbok, Swampert)
Seed Bomb (Venusaur, Torterra, Abomasnow)</div>
^_^
Main Pokemon Information:
Name: Pyroak
[div align="left"]Type: Fire/Grass[/div]Stat Spread: 120 HP / 70 Atk / 105 Def / 95 SpA / 90 SpD / 60 Speed
BST: 540
Ability #1: Rock Head
Ability #2: Battle Armor
Pokedex Information:
Height: 6' 9"
Weight: 370
Dex Entry #1: The smoke from PYROAK's flames is said to have soothing qualities. However, it is also known to induce odd behaviour in Pokémon and humans alike.
Dex Entry #2: All PYROAK keep the same set of armor throughout their entire life. It is said the age of any PYROAK can be estimated by counting the rings in the wood.
Dex Entry #3: PYROAK are known to engage in ceremonial duels banning use of their cannons. Their armour protects them from injuring themselves when charging one another.
Level-Up Moves:
- Wood Hammer (Heart Scale)
- Flare Blitz (Heart Scale)
- Leer
- Pound
- Growl
5. Bullet Seed
9. Focus Energy
13. Ember
17. Growth
21. Leech Seed
28. Synthesis
35. Energy Ball
46. Lava Plume
57. Zap Cannon
63. Flash Cannon
72. Hyper Beam
TM/HM Moves:
TM 05-Roar
TM 06-Toxic
TM 09-Bullet Seed
TM 10-Hidden Power
TM 11-Sunny Day
TM 15-Hyper Beam
TM 16-Light Screen
TM 17-Protect
TM 19-Giga Drain
TM 21-Frustration
TM 22-SolarBeam
TM 23-Iron Tail
TM 27-Return
TM 28-Dig
TM 30-Shadow Ball
TM 31-Brick Break
TM 32-Double Team
TM 33-Reflect
TM 34-Shock Wave
TM 35-Flamethrower
TM 36-Sludge Bomb
TM 38-Fire Blast
TM 39-Rock Tomb
TM 40-Aerial Ace
TM 42-Façade
TM 43-Secret Power
TM 44-Rest
TM 45-Attract
TM 50-Overheat
TM 53-Energy Ball
TM 56-Fling
TM 58-Endure
TM 61-Will-o-Wisp
TM 66-Payback
TM 68-Giga Impact
TM 76-Stealth Rock
TM 82-Sleep Talk
TM 83-Natural Gift
TM 86-Grass Knot
TM 87-Swagger
TM 90-Substitute
TM 91-Flash Cannon
HM 04-Strength
HM 06-Rock Smash
HM 08-Rock Climb
Egg Moves (Monster/Dragon):
Aromatherapy (Meganium)
Dragonbreath (Altaria, Salamence, Kingdra, Dragonite, Sceptile, Milotic, Garchomp)
Howl (Exploud)
Leaf Storm (Sceptile, Tropius, Torterra, Venusaur, Meganium)
Mud Bomb (Arbok, Swampert)
Seed Bomb (Venusaur, Torterra, Abomasnow)</div>
^_^
omg took my topic
anyway, first draft of the analysis by Lord Sunday:
[quote][SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Lava Plume / Flamethrower
move 3: Rest / Aromatherapy
move 4: Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Battle Armor
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 32 SpD / 88 Spe
To Do: I wonder if Leech Seed proveded sufficient healing on this set, freeing up a moveslot? I know it does on my Vileplume in UU so this could work similarily...
[SET COMMENTS]
Use Pyroaks's amazing defenses to come in with ease, and start putting a hurt into opponents. Even with no SpA EVs, Grass Knot is a 3HKO on Tyranitar, Lava Plume can burn him and he will not enjoy Leech Seed either, so do not worry too much about him. Heal status with Rest or Aromatherapy when needed. Feel free to engage in stall wars if you please: Leech Seed and his immunity to critical hits will allow Pyroak to come out on top.
[SET]
name: Rest + Sleep Talk
move 1: Lava Plume
move 2: Grass Knot / Leech Seed
move 3: Rest
move 4: Sleep Talk
item: Leftovers
ability: Battle Armor
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 32 SpD / 88 Spe
To Do: Suitable alternative to Grass Knot? Aromatherapy?
[SET COMMENTS]
Pyroak can serve as a decent status absorber if need be. Lava Plume again provedes a reasonable chance of Burn while Grass Knot covers <Pokemon X>. Rest and Sleep Talk are the bread and butter of the set allowing Pyroak to absorb Status and hopefully inflict them off in his sleep.
[SET]
name: Sunny Day
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Fire Blast
move 3: Solarbeam / Grass Knot
move 4: Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Ground
item: Heat Rock
ability: Battle Armor
nature:
evs: 164 HP/ 252 SpA / 8 SpD / 84 spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Pyroak is a great choice for setting up Sunny Day. Although it can not abuse it directly, none of the three OU auto-weather Pokemon will dare switch into this. Abomasnow is 1HKO'd by Fire Blast, as Hippowdon is by Grass Knot. Solarbeam is not reccomended as if Hippowdon switches in on the same turn you use it you will be stuck charging, locked into using Solarbeam next turn and without sun. Hidden Power Fighting brings the ever menacing Tyranitar to his knees, but Hidden Power Ground allows you to hurt Heatran, who would love to abuse your sun itself. If you run Hidden Power Ground keep in mind that Grass Knot is stilla 3HKO on most Tyranitar.
[SET]
Name: Physical
Move 1: Howl / Synthesis / Rest
Move 2: Flare Blitz
Move 3: Wood Hammer
Move 4: Brick Break / Synthesis / Sleep Talk
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Rock Head
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 16 SpD / 88 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Pyroak isn't afraid to get down and dirty with his attack. Even at 70 base, his quality movepool, excellent typing, and complimentary ability allows him to be a bona fide menace to any unsuspecting team. Surprising as it seems, Pyroak isn't locked into Howl on this set, as 120 BP STABs punish anything that isn't outright resistant, and can easily score a 2HKO on most non-walls; of course, Howl is likely the superior option; Pyroak can raise his attack unscrupulously behind those indecent defenses, and annihilate unsuspecting teams. Synthesis and Rest amplify his bulkiness, allowing him to weather blows like the best of them. Brick Break is a necessity to stop Heatran from ruining your fun, but Sleep Talk, coupled with his aforementioned bulkiness, allows him to fill the role of status absorber/Restalker with ease. Choice Band could easily be run, just use a fourth attacking move such as Return or Arial Ace.
EVs are key here. 152 HP allows Pyroak to reach 319 HP total, which is a superior Life Orb number. Attack is maxed for most obvious reasons, and the 88 Speed sits Pyroak at 178, just barely enough to outspeed a Tyranitar running 76 Speed. 16 Special Defense is a dump of the remaining points, as putting them in HP would ruin the number, and putting them in Speed wouldn't allow him to outspeed anything at all extra.
[SET]
name: Special
move 1: Growth
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Lava Plume / Flamethrower
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Ground / Rest
item: Leftovers
ability: Battle Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 224 HP / 252 SpA/ 32 SpD
To be done: Refine EVs. Define fourth moveslot.
[SET COMMENTS]
This time you're using Growth to raise Pyroak's larger Special Attack. Dual STAB provides good coverage which is complemented by either Rest or Hidden Power in the final slot. Rest should only really be used with Cleric Support. Hidden Power Ground or Hidden Power Rock are both siutable alternatives to Hidden Power Ice. Hidden Power Ground punished Heatran and other Fire type switch-ins. Hidden Power Rock hurts most Flying and Fire types. Flamethrower is an option over Lava Plume if you want that extra bit of power but your chance of inflicting a burn will go down. Fire Blast is not a good idea due to its low PP.
[SET]
name: Mixed
move 1: Overheat / Fire Blast
move 2: Wood Hammer
move 3: Hidden Power Ground / Hidden Power Rock
move 4: Brick Break / Leech Seed / Rest
item: Life Orb
ability: Rock Head
nature: Naughty / Lonely
evs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 16 SAtk / 88 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
A mixed set lets Pyroak hit most of it's counters on their weaker sides. Skarmory and Forretress are hit hard by Overheat. Wood Hammer deals decent damage to most Bulky Waters, Bulky Grounds and Blissey. Hidden Power Rock deals with Fire / Flygin types who would otherwise manage to wall you, but if you lack Brick Break Hidden Power Ground deals with Heatran. Don't even think of staying in on Heatran if you activate it's Flash Fire ability though, unless it is already on quite low health. EVs ensure Life Orb recoil is minimized, and you outspeed 76 Spe EVs Tyranitar.
[OTHER OPTIONS]
Pyroak has a multitude of support options that can be used if you can find the room. Light Screen is great for buffing Pyroak's weaker Special Defence. Reflect boosts Pyroak's stronger Defence but is also worth a look for team support. Aromathreapy heals the teams status, while SR would be a good choice if it wern't so incredibly common. Toxic is another way to spread status if you do not like WoW, and works well in conjunction with Leech Seed. Generic Choice sets could be run. On these just max Speed and the Attack of your choice if you do not want Pyroak to be specifically bulky.
[EVs]
For the more defencive sets focusing on HP before Defence and Special Defence ensure greater overall durability. On any set running Light Screen or Reflect the opposite Defence can be increased. 88 Speed is important for outspeeding 76 Spe EVs Tyranitar. 152 HP ensures Pyroak takes minimal damage from Life Orb.
[OPINION]
<to be edited>
[COUNTERS]
Heatran and, Dragonite and Salamence both resist it's dual STAB, but Heatran is vulnerable to Brick Break and both do not enjoy Leech Seed. Special versions of Salamence do extreemly well though as they do not mind Burn as much as their physical counterparts. Tentacruel causes Pyroak to take damage from Leech Seed thanks to it's Liquid Ooze ability. It resists it's fire STAB and Grass Knot has a measly 60 BP against it. Togekiss can easily switch in, and doesn't mind a Burn / Leech Seed as much as some others. STAB Air Slash hits <woodmans> weaker side. Moltres and Charizard are only mildly troubled by Leech Seed and not much else. Both can hit back with Air Slash. Arcanine, Ninetales, and Houndoom with Flash Fire can all come in on a Fire attack, get an attack boost at no damage, and then begin with a strong offensive. In addition to being immune to Fire, they resist it's Grass STAB as well. However, they can be hit for SE damage by either HP Rock or HP Ground. Ninetales doesn't mind this as much as the others, but it should make Arcanine and Houndoom wary if Stealth Rock is down.[/quote]
anyway, first draft of the analysis by Lord Sunday:
[quote][SET]
name: Tank
move 1: Leech Seed
move 2: Lava Plume / Flamethrower
move 3: Rest / Aromatherapy
move 4: Grass Knot
item: Leftovers
ability: Battle Armor
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 32 SpD / 88 Spe
To Do: I wonder if Leech Seed proveded sufficient healing on this set, freeing up a moveslot? I know it does on my Vileplume in UU so this could work similarily...
[SET COMMENTS]
Use Pyroaks's amazing defenses to come in with ease, and start putting a hurt into opponents. Even with no SpA EVs, Grass Knot is a 3HKO on Tyranitar, Lava Plume can burn him and he will not enjoy Leech Seed either, so do not worry too much about him. Heal status with Rest or Aromatherapy when needed. Feel free to engage in stall wars if you please: Leech Seed and his immunity to critical hits will allow Pyroak to come out on top.
[SET]
name: Rest + Sleep Talk
move 1: Lava Plume
move 2: Grass Knot / Leech Seed
move 3: Rest
move 4: Sleep Talk
item: Leftovers
ability: Battle Armor
nature: Bold
evs: 252 HP / 136 Def / 32 SpD / 88 Spe
To Do: Suitable alternative to Grass Knot? Aromatherapy?
[SET COMMENTS]
Pyroak can serve as a decent status absorber if need be. Lava Plume again provedes a reasonable chance of Burn while Grass Knot covers <Pokemon X>. Rest and Sleep Talk are the bread and butter of the set allowing Pyroak to absorb Status and hopefully inflict them off in his sleep.
[SET]
name: Sunny Day
move 1: Sunny Day
move 2: Fire Blast
move 3: Solarbeam / Grass Knot
move 4: Hidden Power Fighting / Hidden Power Ground
item: Heat Rock
ability: Battle Armor
nature:
evs: 164 HP/ 252 SpA / 8 SpD / 84 spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Pyroak is a great choice for setting up Sunny Day. Although it can not abuse it directly, none of the three OU auto-weather Pokemon will dare switch into this. Abomasnow is 1HKO'd by Fire Blast, as Hippowdon is by Grass Knot. Solarbeam is not reccomended as if Hippowdon switches in on the same turn you use it you will be stuck charging, locked into using Solarbeam next turn and without sun. Hidden Power Fighting brings the ever menacing Tyranitar to his knees, but Hidden Power Ground allows you to hurt Heatran, who would love to abuse your sun itself. If you run Hidden Power Ground keep in mind that Grass Knot is stilla 3HKO on most Tyranitar.
[SET]
Name: Physical
Move 1: Howl / Synthesis / Rest
Move 2: Flare Blitz
Move 3: Wood Hammer
Move 4: Brick Break / Synthesis / Sleep Talk
Item: Life Orb
Ability: Rock Head
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 16 SpD / 88 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
Pyroak isn't afraid to get down and dirty with his attack. Even at 70 base, his quality movepool, excellent typing, and complimentary ability allows him to be a bona fide menace to any unsuspecting team. Surprising as it seems, Pyroak isn't locked into Howl on this set, as 120 BP STABs punish anything that isn't outright resistant, and can easily score a 2HKO on most non-walls; of course, Howl is likely the superior option; Pyroak can raise his attack unscrupulously behind those indecent defenses, and annihilate unsuspecting teams. Synthesis and Rest amplify his bulkiness, allowing him to weather blows like the best of them. Brick Break is a necessity to stop Heatran from ruining your fun, but Sleep Talk, coupled with his aforementioned bulkiness, allows him to fill the role of status absorber/Restalker with ease. Choice Band could easily be run, just use a fourth attacking move such as Return or Arial Ace.
EVs are key here. 152 HP allows Pyroak to reach 319 HP total, which is a superior Life Orb number. Attack is maxed for most obvious reasons, and the 88 Speed sits Pyroak at 178, just barely enough to outspeed a Tyranitar running 76 Speed. 16 Special Defense is a dump of the remaining points, as putting them in HP would ruin the number, and putting them in Speed wouldn't allow him to outspeed anything at all extra.
[SET]
name: Special
move 1: Growth
move 2: Grass Knot
move 3: Lava Plume / Flamethrower
move 4: Hidden Power Ice / Hidden Power Ground / Rest
item: Leftovers
ability: Battle Armor
nature: Modest
evs: 224 HP / 252 SpA/ 32 SpD
To be done: Refine EVs. Define fourth moveslot.
[SET COMMENTS]
This time you're using Growth to raise Pyroak's larger Special Attack. Dual STAB provides good coverage which is complemented by either Rest or Hidden Power in the final slot. Rest should only really be used with Cleric Support. Hidden Power Ground or Hidden Power Rock are both siutable alternatives to Hidden Power Ice. Hidden Power Ground punished Heatran and other Fire type switch-ins. Hidden Power Rock hurts most Flying and Fire types. Flamethrower is an option over Lava Plume if you want that extra bit of power but your chance of inflicting a burn will go down. Fire Blast is not a good idea due to its low PP.
[SET]
name: Mixed
move 1: Overheat / Fire Blast
move 2: Wood Hammer
move 3: Hidden Power Ground / Hidden Power Rock
move 4: Brick Break / Leech Seed / Rest
item: Life Orb
ability: Rock Head
nature: Naughty / Lonely
evs: 152 HP / 252 Atk / 16 SAtk / 88 Spe
[SET COMMENTS]
A mixed set lets Pyroak hit most of it's counters on their weaker sides. Skarmory and Forretress are hit hard by Overheat. Wood Hammer deals decent damage to most Bulky Waters, Bulky Grounds and Blissey. Hidden Power Rock deals with Fire / Flygin types who would otherwise manage to wall you, but if you lack Brick Break Hidden Power Ground deals with Heatran. Don't even think of staying in on Heatran if you activate it's Flash Fire ability though, unless it is already on quite low health. EVs ensure Life Orb recoil is minimized, and you outspeed 76 Spe EVs Tyranitar.
[OTHER OPTIONS]
Pyroak has a multitude of support options that can be used if you can find the room. Light Screen is great for buffing Pyroak's weaker Special Defence. Reflect boosts Pyroak's stronger Defence but is also worth a look for team support. Aromathreapy heals the teams status, while SR would be a good choice if it wern't so incredibly common. Toxic is another way to spread status if you do not like WoW, and works well in conjunction with Leech Seed. Generic Choice sets could be run. On these just max Speed and the Attack of your choice if you do not want Pyroak to be specifically bulky.
[EVs]
For the more defencive sets focusing on HP before Defence and Special Defence ensure greater overall durability. On any set running Light Screen or Reflect the opposite Defence can be increased. 88 Speed is important for outspeeding 76 Spe EVs Tyranitar. 152 HP ensures Pyroak takes minimal damage from Life Orb.
[OPINION]
<to be edited>
[COUNTERS]
Heatran and, Dragonite and Salamence both resist it's dual STAB, but Heatran is vulnerable to Brick Break and both do not enjoy Leech Seed. Special versions of Salamence do extreemly well though as they do not mind Burn as much as their physical counterparts. Tentacruel causes Pyroak to take damage from Leech Seed thanks to it's Liquid Ooze ability. It resists it's fire STAB and Grass Knot has a measly 60 BP against it. Togekiss can easily switch in, and doesn't mind a Burn / Leech Seed as much as some others. STAB Air Slash hits <woodmans> weaker side. Moltres and Charizard are only mildly troubled by Leech Seed and not much else. Both can hit back with Air Slash. Arcanine, Ninetales, and Houndoom with Flash Fire can all come in on a Fire attack, get an attack boost at no damage, and then begin with a strong offensive. In addition to being immune to Fire, they resist it's Grass STAB as well. However, they can be hit for SE damage by either HP Rock or HP Ground. Ninetales doesn't mind this as much as the others, but it should make Arcanine and Houndoom wary if Stealth Rock is down.[/quote]