Cool thanks. I plan on picking up MD2 when it finally reaches NZ, so I think it might be good to beat 1 first >_>

Serebii's Spin-Off Dex is up, and this time it has the data for moves taken straight from MD2, not the main games. Most obvious thing: multi-hit moves HAVE been nerfed significantly, with their accuracy now in the 40s for the most part. And even so, they're still pretty much the best moves in the game.

Dialga's effectively in group I, making it just about the best Pokémon in the game when at full power.

I finished the future arc yesterday, and MAN do things hit hard there, even when overleveled. Had multi-hit moves retained their accuracy of old, Celebi would've died a couple times in that last dungeon. Oh, and those damn ghosts that go through walls. Gotta hate them.

Those aren't walls. Well, most of it.

In other news, Aegis Cave's a bitchin' whore. I had to go through the Ice Part 5 times to get all the needed letters. Fuck it.

As far as I can tell, the only future dungeon where they AREN'T walls is Chasm Cave (I know, because my Bulbasaur can go through water, cliffs and stuff, but not walls). The others, though? No way to hit them.

As for multi-hit moves, just to give you an idea of why they're still broken even after that massive nerf... let's take Bullet Seed for example. The odds of at least one hit landing are 87%, which is still more than most moves in the game. And there's a nice possibility of two or more hits landing, too - the average number of hits landed per attack is 1.68. As for Fury Swipes, which IIRC is the whole reason why CrossDragon picked Chimchar as partner, the odds of at least one hit landing are 75%, and the average number of hits landed per attack is 1.44. Compare that to Blaziken's Double Kick, which is 1.54. Nya-hah, my multi-hit move is stronger than yours before STAB is even accounted for. Of course, I have to wait for evolution to gain access to it, but I'd sooner have Quick Attack than Fury Swipes on my partner.

Edit: Did Treeshroud Forest yesterday. Hit THREE Monster Houses on the way. They didn't kill me (though they did come close), but a random Ninetales on the last floor did by confusing me, getting two Nasty Plots in and Embering me to hell. Fortunately I had a Reviver Seed as insurance, but things can hit ridiculously hard sometimes, and I'm level 56 for Arceus' sake.

Edit 2: It was on to Brine Cave today. Wasn't too tough, but stuff hit extremely hard sometimes... Torchic lost about a third of its health to a single Poison Jab from a Tentacool. Scary stuff when you consider all the horror stories about Temporal Tower, which isn't too far away now. I also did a few rescue missions on Wi-Fi... I would've liked to see how stingy people were BEFORE trying it. Oh well, I added a line to the adventure log. I also know there's a mandatory monster house in the room where the rescue flag takes place... Bulbasaur is awesome in these. Then again, if you listened to me rant in this topic, you already know that. Speaking of Bulbasaur, I gave it Giga Drain for two reasons: healing is nice, and Tackle on a level 58 Pokémon (that's right, 58 and I still haven't beaten Dialga) really doesn't fit in.

Also, I checked Serebii's Spin-Off Dex some more, and it says Mew's IQ class is "?". Does that mean Mew gets every IQ skill under the sun? That'd fit with the whole "gets every TM" theme. If someone can answer that question, I'd like to know if that's the case. (Edit 2A: Turns out all of the event legendaries have it, so that might not be it. What in the world would it mean?)

Edit 3: I don't remember who it was that advised bringing X-Eye Seeds to take on Dialga, but that was a big help. I threw two in all at it, spammed Bullet Seed and Flamethrower, and that was all she wrote. Dialga didn't even hit me once. (Of course, I was level 62, so take that with a grain of salt.) The Temporal Spire climb was harder, really. On my first attempt I hit a Monster House on the first floor, so I reset after it was clear it'd take its toll on my Reviver Seeds, which I wanted to keep for Dialga.

[QUOTE USER="Slowflake" TIME="1210826711"]As far as I can tell, the only future dungeon where they AREN'T walls is Chasm Cave (I know, because my Bulbasaur can go through water, cliffs and stuff, but not walls). The others, though? No way to hit them.

As for multi-hit moves, just to give you an idea of why they're still broken even after that massive nerf... let's take Bullet Seed for example. The odds of at least one hit landing are 87%, which is still more than most moves in the game. And there's a nice possibility of two or more hits landing, too - the average number of hits landed per attack is 1.68. As for Fury Swipes, which IIRC is the whole reason why CrossDragon picked Chimchar as partner, the odds of at least one hit landing are 75%, and the average number of hits landed per attack is 1.44. Compare that to Blaziken's Double Kick, which is 1.54. Nya-hah, my multi-hit move is stronger than yours before STAB is even accounted for. Of course, I have to wait for evolution to gain access to it, but I'd sooner have Quick Attack than Fury Swipes on my partner.

Edit: Did Treeshroud Forest yesterday. Hit THREE Monster Houses on the way. They didn't kill me (though they did come close), but a random Ninetales on the last floor did by confusing me, getting two Nasty Plots in and Embering me to hell. Fortunately I had a Reviver Seed as insurance, but things can hit ridiculously hard sometimes, and I'm level 56 for Arceus' sake.

Edit 2: It was on to Brine Cave today. Wasn't too tough, but stuff hit extremely hard sometimes... Torchic lost about a third of its health to a single Poison Jab from a Tentacool. Scary stuff when you consider all the horror stories about Temporal Tower, which isn't too far away now. I also did a few rescue missions on Wi-Fi... I would've liked to see how stingy people were BEFORE trying it. Oh well, I added a line to the adventure log. I also know there's a mandatory monster house in the room where the rescue flag takes place... Bulbasaur is awesome in these. Then again, if you listened to me rant in this topic, you already know that. Speaking of Bulbasaur, I gave it Giga Drain for two reasons: healing is nice, and Tackle on a level 58 Pokémon (that's right, 58 and I still haven't beaten Dialga) really doesn't fit in.

Also, I checked Serebii's Spin-Off Dex some more, and it says Mew's IQ class is "?". Does that mean Mew gets every IQ skill under the sun? That'd fit with the whole "gets every TM" theme. If someone can answer that question, I'd like to know if that's the case. (Edit 2A: Turns out all of the event legendaries have it, so that might not be it. What in the world would it mean?)

Edit 3: I don't remember who it was that advised bringing X-Eye Seeds to take on Dialga, but that was a big help. I threw two in all at it, spammed Bullet Seed and Flamethrower, and that was all she wrote. Dialga didn't even hit me once. (Of course, I was level 62, so take that with a grain of salt.) The Temporal Spire climb was harder, really. On my first attempt I hit a Monster House on the first floor, so I reset after it was clear it'd take its toll on my Reviver Seeds, which I wanted to keep for Dialga.
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I was Level 60 when I beat Dialga and lemme tell ya, it ain't pretty. It once avoided an X-Eye and a Sleep Seed, then KOing with Roar of Time. Bitch.

Oh, I loled when Palkia appeared in Sharpedo Bluff.

Palkia: "Surprise rape, everybody!"

Partner: "Oshi- Wait what?"

I'm doing Spatial Rift atm.

EDIT: Fucking Monster House on last floor's stair room. I was so predicting it and Foe-Seal Orb didn't do a thing, because an Electrivire came in and Discharge'd me to death.

EDIT 2: I wonder how Palkia got a section of its own...

Quick advice if you haven't already figured it out: avoid recruiting evolved forms unless their stats are much better than their basic forms (such as Noctowl or Gastrodon). I found out that evolution gives a hefty bonus of 10 HP and 5 everywhere else (that means 20 HP and 10 everywhere else for what gets to evolve twice). Except for some rare cases, it's not quite enough to match the better legendaries, but it's still enough to make a solid difference.

Guys I'm only Level 59 still. How are you guys getting raped by those things? I consider those stages easy... <_< Overlevel much?

[QUOTE USER="CrossDragon" TIME="1211434932"]Guys I'm only Level 59 still. How are you guys getting raped by those things? I consider those stages easy... <_< Overlevel much? [/QUOTE]

I don't like to use Reviver Seeds. >_>

I put Recycle on my Chingling yesterday, and I started using it immediately by using Chingling as leader, but as a result the now-CPU-controlled Bulbasaur started acting really weird. It wouldn't ever use anything other than Sludge Bomb, even when I allowed it to use its other moves and regular attack. Even worse, it started throwing Sludge Bomb in the direction of enemy Pokémon, but with a wall in the way (and I'm not just talking cutting corners here). Eventually I found out that the latter was due to Course Checker being deactivated (in order to allow Gap Prober to kick in), so I activated it and it stopped sending sludge at walls. However, it still only uses Sludge Bomb like there's no tomorrow, even when there's no PP left. I need to turn off Sludge Bomb in order to get it to do anything else, and still I don't recall seeing it do a regular attack.

Anyone else having trouble with their starter when it's controlled by the AI? I'm at a loss as to what to do.

No prob with partners.

I beat Darkrai today. Bitch. He kept Hypnotizing me and using Double Team. A critted Fire Blast put it to its misery.

And I can evolve now. wutsupwitdat

Speaking of Darkrai, if anyone knows the range of Dark Void, I'd be very much interested in knowing.

Found out what was wrong with Bulbasaur - Weak-Type Picker. I did my Recycle run in Oran Forest, where most everything is strong against Bullet Seed and Giga Drain and weak against Sludge Bomb. Problem solved.

Dark Void's range is in front. Courtesy of Gameboy.

...in front? Wow. 8 PP is just pathetic... Sleep Powder's all around and it has 13, and Spore affects the entire room and it has 12. At the very least Darkrai has the highest SA in the game (Kecleon notwithstanding) to somewhat justify that. (Edit: And the best IQ skill, and being the only size 1 Pokémon who knows it, too.)

Personally, Darkrai isn't hard. X-Eye Seed knocks it out for quite a number of turns. The problem is getting past all those damn dungeons. It was a pain in the ass for me, I was under lever and both me and my partner's attacks were ineffective. Boy was I happy when I kicked it's ass. I bought like 15 reviver Seeds. Sweet god. Cresselia didnt do much, it kept spamming Double Team at the wrong times, though it's BodyGuard IQ Skill did save my butt a few times.

UPC now has its own list of the items in the game, with the flavor text taken directly from the game. As such, it says for the Thundershard and Luck Brooch that they OCCASIONALLY allow the use of a move without burning PP. So I got a Togekiss and Luck Brooch through the WM generator (without saving, of course), and UPC's right. Thanks, Serebii, for getting my hopes up for nothing. Heck, it would've made a little bit of sense to give Togekiss infinite PP, since it has just about the worst stats in the game.

[QUOTE USER="Slowflake" TIME="1211830350"]UPC now has its own list of the items in the game, with the flavor text taken directly from the game. As such, it says for the Thundershard and Luck Brooch that they OCCASIONALLY allow the use of a move without burning PP. So I got a Togekiss and Luck Brooch through the WM generator (without saving, of course), and UPC's right. Thanks, Serebii, for getting my hopes up for nothing. Heck, it would've made a little bit of sense to give Togekiss infinite PP, since it has just about the worst stats in the game.[/QUOTE]

IT HAS ONE OF THE WORST STATS IN WHOLE FUCKIN GAME? And I wanted to get one...

Yep, the only one who's much worse off is Victreebel. Well, there's Nincada, but since Ninjask has slightly better stats than those two it doesn't really matter.

Edit: Did some research, apparently Dark Void DOES hit the whole room. Add 15 damage after every sleeping turn from Bad Dreams, and you got one tough SOB. Really, with the best IQ skill and all-around exceptional stats (except for the slightly-above-average HP) you may have the best Poké in the game right there. I'm withholding the final verdict until either I actually see Dark Void in action or UPC releases its move list.

well, I finally got the game <_<

I want to pick Munchlax and Charmander, but would that be a good combo? Or should I go for Pikachu/ranged attacker?

The thing with Munchlax is that just about all its good moves are TMs. It DOES get Recycle though, which allows you to recycle TMs before graduation, but why use a slot for it on the Pokémon that'll do most of the fighting for a very large chunk of the game?

Charmander's big selling point is that Charizard gets Heat Wave at level 59, and it also gets Smokescreen (which makes all of the opponent's attacks miss for a few turns), which is good. Other than that, it's nothing too special. No Quick Attack, no multi-hit moves.

Pikachu's great, as it gets Agility and Discharge naturally. There's also T-Wave and Quick Attack, which aren't bad at all.

But really, it's your call. Most starters have defining pros and cons (aside from Skitty, who's really screwed over by Normalize), so go with what you feel more comfortable with.

sweet thanks! I think i'll go with Pikachu and Munch...