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Fantasty

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Jul 26 '07

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Forretress @ Leftovers / Light Clay
Relaxed - 252 HP, 184 Atk, 72 Def
Sturdy
~ Stealth Rock
~ Explosion
~ Gyro Ball
~ Reflect / Earthquake / Rapid Spin

This is my favorite set for Forretress. It has great endurance abilities when facing a physical threat. As soon as you fear a special attack coming, just switch out to Blissey or something else.
Reflect greatly helps your team, especially if you are indeed switching to a special wall after you've used it, because that way, the special wall will be able to take physical hits fairly well too, which in Blissey's case is extremely important. Stealth Rock is a better choice than Spikes on this thing, as you won't have as much time to set up with it as with Skarmory.
I chose a Relaxed nature, because you're already slower than most things, so why not drop your Speed to the absolute minimum to take the most out of Gyro Ball (aim for 0 IVs in Speed). STABed Gyro Ball from such a slow pokemon, with 262 Atk definitely hurts a couple of things. Explosion is in for a last resort move, and it helps you set up for your Special Sweeper. With this much Atk EVs, it can OHKO Blissey.
You can consider Rapid Spin on him. If so, I'd replace either Reflect or Earthquake with it, most likely Reflect. As such, it's only logical you'd also pick Leftovers as your hold item, or the Macho Brace if you want to hit pokemon even harder with Gyro Ball, as it halves your Speed.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Relaxed ? 244 HP, 140 SpDef, 124 Def
Sturdy
~ Stealth Rock
~ Light Screen
~ Gyro Ball
~ Explosion

The set is somewhat the same as the first one, only this one is aimed to be a mixed wall. It?s probably not the best thing to do with Forretress, given its low SpDef, but Light Screen can make up for that. With this spread, its HP will be 352, the highest possible Leftovers number it can reach (and only 2 lower than its max HP) and after a Light Screen, its SpDef will be approximately the same as its Def. Its Def is 381 and its SpDef 191, so it?s a 1-point difference after applying the boost Light Screen provides you with. The rest of the set is basically the same, except for the fact that this doesn?t run any Atk EVs. I?d recommend to try and reach 243 Atk, as that?ll OHKO Blissey after it has been hurt by Stealth Rock and then recover 1/16th of its HP due to Leftovers. It requires some number of EVs though, so it may not be worth it here. Personally, I?d just stick with the first set, as Forretress makes a great physical wall and you should take the best out of that. Still, something with defenses as high as Forretress? after a Light Screen are quite exceptional and its HP is pretty solid as well.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Bold ? 244 HP, 128 Def, 136 Speed
Sturdy
~ Toxic
~ Protect
~ Zap Cannon
~ Stealth Rock

A fun set mostly. You?d want to either badly poison something with Toxic and stall with Protect afterwards, or nail those pesky things that try to come in and set up on you. If you can predict a switch to one of them (Salamence, Gyarados, etc), you can try to nail them right away with Zap Cannon, after which you?ll outspeed them (provided Salamence uses a neutral Speed nature). Unless Gyarados runs max HP and Leftovers, it?s also going to get 2HKO?d by Zap Cannon. If you see the chance, set up with Stealth Rock and spend the rest of your time stalling with Protect. The fact that Forretress is free set-up bait for the likes of Gyarados and Salamence usually makes it a bad pokemon, but both Toxic and Zap Cannon can do something about it: Toxic means the opponent is eventually going down, limiting the amount of turns it can spend towards setting up. Given Forretress awesome Def, even a Dragon Danced Earthquake or Stone Edge isn?t going to do much. Zap Cannon paralyzes them and thus halves their Speed. That should buy you enough time to switch to something else and rape that pokemon afterwards. The downside is that Zap Cannon is so damn inaccurate and that some physical sweepers may carry Fire Blast with them (Garchomp, Salamence, etc). It?s a risky set, but fun to say at the least.

Forretress @ Leftovers
Impish ? 244 HP, 252 Def, 12 Speed
Sturdy
~ Spikes
~ Stealth Rock
~ Rapid Spin
~ Explosion

A Forretress based purely on setting up Spikes and Stealth Rock, or removing those when they are active on your field. When your job is done, blow yourself and something of your opponent up and start with a fresh and new pokemon, while your opponent has to send something in that?ll instantly take quite some damage. Beware of possible stat-boosters, as they can easily set up on you, survive Explosion and rape your team afterwards. Spending some EVs in Atk might not be such a bad idea. Make sure to take them out of Def and not HP.

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Other options: Nothing that hasn't been mentioned in the sets really...
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CKY Tribal

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Jul 29 '07

I think this needs a set for Ubers, as he makes an excellent Rayquaza Outrage absorber. I believe he typically Spins, SRs, Explodes and... I'm not sure what the last one is... He may also need a slightly different EV spread to help him survive an Extreme Speed from SD Arceus, or said Outrage from DD Rayquaza.
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Fantasty

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Jul 29 '07

Good point, but I'd like someone else with more experience in the uber metagame to do that. I have never really been interested in that metagame myself, so I highly doubt I could make a good set for it if it is to be used in the uber metagame.

So, any takers?
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Sergeant K

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Aug 16 '07

Stealth Rock on Forretress without Spikes is plain wrong. Forretress is the best Spiker in the metagame (besides Skarmory).

Alot of other pokemon can use stealth rock better (Such as Forretress' pal Swampert) and Forretress uses spikes.

Moral of the story: Forretress DOES NOT NEED Stealth Rock.

(I am a big fan of Forretress and I know how he works)
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anonymous!cherubi

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Aug 16 '07

QUOTE (Sergeant_K @ Aug 16 2007, 03:26 PM)
Stealth Rock on Forretress without Spikes is plain wrong. Forretress is the best Spiker in the metagame (besides Skarmory).

Alot of other pokemon can use stealth rock better (Such as Forretress' pal Swampert) and Forretress uses spikes.

Moral of the story: Forretress DOES NOT NEED Stealth Rock.

(I am a big fan of Forretress and I know how he works)

I am a bigger fan and I sometimes use Spikes as well. Not many Pokemon can spike.


On another note, a Rock Polish sweeper set would be good, because he has a relatively high attack, high endurance, and a very good physical movepool. For example:

Forretress @ NG Ice Berry
Adamant - 252 Attack, 196 Speed, 62 HP
Sturdy
~ Rock Polish
~ Earthquake
~ Natural Gift (Ice, 80 BP)
~ Rock Slide

It could work =/
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zero!cherubi

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Aug 16 '07

This gen with all of the flyers / levitators and all of the special sweepers and fire attacks that rape forretress don't allow it to set up Spikes barely ever. Spikes have become a lot less effective this gen mainly because Stealth Rock hits more, hits most things harder, and doesn't take 3 turns to be effective. Standard Skarmory doesn't run Spikes, nor does standard Forretress. Also, Forretress has better things to do with his turns outside of spikes, like reflect, spin, etc. He doesn't have a recovery move so he needs to make good use of ALL the turns hes around.

EDIT: Alot of people know how Forretress works, you don't necessarily need to be a fan at all...
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IStillHaveALife

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Aug 16 '07

QUOTE (_Zero1 @ Aug 16 2007, 02:14 PM)
This gen with all of the flyers / levitators and all of the special sweepers and fire attacks that rape forretress don't allow it to set up Spikes barely ever. Spikes have become a lot less effective this gen mainly because Stealth Rock hits more, hits most things harder, and doesn't take 3 turns to be effective. Standard Skarmory doesn't run Spikes, nor does standard Forretress. Also, Forretress has better things to do with his turns outside of spikes, like reflect, spin, etc. He doesn't have a recovery move so he needs to make good use of ALL the turns hes around.

EDIT: Alot of people know how Forretress works, you don't necessarily need to be a fan at all...

Hey _Zero1 I agree with you completly about the flyer/ levitators and the special sweeper part, but Foretress gained a friend, a pokemon with flash fire, so just switch ot Arcanine or Heatran when you fire coming and they gain a boost.
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KRDsonic

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Aug 30 '07

Just a comment because forretress is my favorite pokemon to use.
It's nice seeing someone besides me showing a set with toxic, protect, and a spiking move.
I've found this set to do pretty good.

- Protect
- Toxic
- Spikes/stealth rock
- Earthquake/Rapid Spin

Earthquake to take out what you can't poison (Steel and poison) although levetators and fliers are still a problem for it. I've used this set in an ubers game and it was nice being able to set up against rayquaza and toxic stall it til it switched out.
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Ryo82439

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Aug 31 '07

I use uber forrtress. You want something like

Forrtress@leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Atk
Stealth Rock
Reflect/Light screen
Explosion/Rapid spin/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Protect/Toxic
Explosion/Rapid spin/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Protect/Toxic

This and Deoxys-LG (Which I did the analysis for. Yay.) are the only stealth rockers/spikers in ubers, while forretress is the only spinner. Reflect/Light Screen is easy to set un on an outrage. Explosion can finish stuff off or blow up a blissey coming in to aromatherapy, while spikes and toxic spikes can do extra damage to walls and other switch ins. rapid spin is only reccomended if you have a shedinja or ho-oh on your team. Protect for scouting overheats. toxic can help stalling, but toxic spikes is probably superior.
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BlazinYoshiX

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Aug 31 '07

QUOTE
I use uber forrtress. You want something like

Forrtress@leftovers
Impish
252 HP, 252 Def, 4 Atk
Stealth Rock
Reflect/Light screen
Explosion/Rapid spin/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Protect/Toxic
Explosion/Rapid spin/Spikes/Toxic Spikes/Protect/Toxic

This and Deoxys-LG (Which I did the analysis for. Yay.) are the only stealth rockers/spikers in ubers, while forretress is the only spinner. Reflect/Light Screen is easy to set un on an outrage. Explosion can finish stuff off or blow up a blissey coming in to aromatherapy, while spikes and toxic spikes can do extra damage to walls and other switch ins. rapid spin is only reccomended if you have a shedinja or ho-oh on your team. Protect for scouting overheats. toxic can help stalling, but toxic spikes is probably superior.


I have one thing to say. You can safely only use 220 Def EVs and get the same results.

An Extremespeed Sword Danced Arceus holding Silk Scarf (That is the standard Hold item >_>.)

with 252 HP, 220 Def: 26.84% - 31.64%

With max Defence and HP: 26.27% - 31.07%

Do take note that this gen the game rounds down with the damage results so both will effectively be 4-5HKOs.

Edit: DDquaza calcs. Attack will be Outrage and is holding a Life Orb

Max HP and Def: 37.85% - 44.35%

252 HP and 220 Def: 38.42% - 45.20%

Not going to make a huge difference. A very low chance of being a 4HKO on the max HP and Def spread. But like I said that is going to be a low chance of the RNG always getting the lowest nature possible.

Edit: You can actually run 232 Def and max HP and still get the same results as totally maxed defence and HP.
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Masterofidiots

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Sep 13 '07

Although very novel, 90 attack isn't bad. A set using Choice Band, Earthquake, Gyro Ball, Rock Slide, and Payback CAN be used.
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Boltbeam

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Sep 13 '07

QUOTE (Masterofidiots @ Sep 13 2007, 02:12 PM)
Although very novel, 90 attack isn't bad. A set using Choice Band, Earthquake, Gyro Ball, Rock Slide, and Payback CAN be used.

I agree though I'd definitely use Explosion over Payback.
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ODIN

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Jun 15 '08

I'm quite surprised that no one has mentioned Toxic Spikes...  that weren't banned recently, were they (just got back into to pokemon over this last week)?

EDIT: Missed Ryo's post. >.< My bad.
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